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Welcome to season 2 episode 4 of Missing Throwup Radio.

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This episode is going to be a little bit different.

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As the creator and founder of Missing Throwup Radio, I reserve the right to flip the script

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anytime I like.

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Historically speaking, I have an abstract or concrete thought, or something that is irritating

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me, or something I've noticed, and I will do about 15 minutes on that topic and the most

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absurd way imaginable.

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I will then have that chick say segment 2, and then I will do it again.

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Wash your ins repeat.

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You typically get two topics per episode of Missing Throwup Radio, and we keep it moving.

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I'm not going to say it's a formula, because it's not.

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It's just kind of the way it works out.

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I want to do about 30 minute episodes.

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Typically do 10 to 15 minutes, sometimes 20 if I'm really passionate about something, and

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then I move on to the next topic.

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The last time I broke fucking character, I should say, and did an episode unlike what

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we usually do here at Missing Throwup Radio was when that Ukrainian girl got stabbed in her

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fucking neck, and then Charlie Kirk got killed.

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I spent about 30 seconds on Charlie Kirk.

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That episode was basically me lamenting the fact that we live in a place where A something

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like that could happen, and B, a significant portion of the population is kind of okay with

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it.

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Right?

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So that's the last time I really broke character and did something outside of my comfort

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zone.

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This is another one of those times.

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I guess the best way to start off talking about what I'm going to talk to you about today

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is to tell you, I'm in a moment of frank, complete honesty, I don't keep people.

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I don't, and that's really the most plain way I can fucking say it.

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I don't keep people.

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I don't collect people.

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I don't hoard people.

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I don't have any long term friends.

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And a lot of people meet folks in, let's say high school or college, and they become

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there a long time life, long, and they play softball or they go fucking bowling or they

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join a union together or some shit like that.

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They attend church together.

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They become mason's or whatever, or whatever normal people do.

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I don't do that.

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I've met tons of people.

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I've connected with tons of people throughout the course of my life.

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And then, life changes or geography changes or the job changes.

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And once they're gone, they're just gone.

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I don't write them off.

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I, don't forgetーダ about them.

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But I also have this deep-seated desire to never be a problem.

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And it comes from my radio days, honestly.

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This is a character flaw.

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I, you know, everyone's on the fucking spectrum nowadays, right?

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Everybody's got the fucking reason why they're unique or they're fitting into this particular

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fucking niche category.

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I don't know what you would call this, but I remember sitting in the office manager's

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office in her phone rang and she looked at the fucking phone.

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It was when back in the fucking day when everybody had those indestructible Nokia phones, she

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looked at her phone and she rolled her eyes and she goes, God damn.

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And she takes the call and she's just as pleasant and sweet as she could possibly be.

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In the moment she hung up, her face dropped back.

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Back into that of utter disgust and she kind of tossed her phone down on the desk and she

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said something like, why can't people just move on?

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And I was like, what do you mean?

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And she goes, she hasn't worked here in five years and she still calls me like we're

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best friends.

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I'm not going to say that that was a watershed moment, but it's something that stuck

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with me from that moment on.

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I don't keep people because that moment sitting in that fucking dopey broad's office really

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resonated with me.

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It really stuck with me.

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It plagued me.

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And I remember saying to her, God damn, I hope you don't ever roll your fucking eyes like

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that one I call someday.

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And she goes, oh, I would never do that to you.

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Yeah.

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Why not?

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What the fuck makes me any different than you ever the fuck that was on the phone?

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That moment stuck with me.

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And from that moment on, you can say Lorenzo doesn't keep people because I don't want to

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be a bother.

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I don't ever want to be the person that fucking calls and you roll your eyes at, put on a

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fucking happy face and take the call.

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So when the environment changes, when whatever brought us together to connect on whatever

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level is altered, changed or severed, I just fade away into the background.

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I become somebody that you used to know.

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I guess you'd call that insecurity or questioning my own self worth.

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Maybe it is.

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I don't fucking know.

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I just哦 that once I move on or you move on from a job or a town or a situation, I'm

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gonna fade away.

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I'm gonna fade slowly out of your life.

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It's never a blow up.

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There's never a shatter point where you have to decide whether or not you want to continue

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knowing me.

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It's never fucking unpleasant.

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I just quietly fade away.

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I say all that to say this.

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Throughout the course of this podcast episode, you're going to hear me refer to people as

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my friend.

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I had a friend or I have a friend or this guy I know understand that I no longer know

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them.

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They're in the past, some in the recent past, some in the distant past.

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They're people that I used to know.

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Some of them may not even remember my fucking name, but conversations that we've had or interactions

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that we've had have stuck with me and I would still consider them to be a friend.

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It sounds really fucking sad and lonely when I say that, but it's not.

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I'm leading up to something here, bear with me.

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A friend of mine recently passed away.

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I say passed away because it's not like he had a fucking car accident or fell off a building

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or had a heart attack having sex with a hooker or something like that.

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If you grabbed him up a couple days before he died and said, hey, there

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is this fucking guy named Lorenzo who counts you

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not.

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Go.

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But I read his obituary and this has really bothered me.

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It's been bothering me for a week ever since I read his obit.

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It's been weighing on my mind.

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This man died peacefully in his sleep.

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He is survived by his wife and his two kids who loved him dearly.

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He will be remembered fondly as someone who was absolutely at the pinnacle of their fucking

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craft and their professional life.

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Donations can be made here and whatnot.

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But what bothered me is this.

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Yes, he is survived by his wife.

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He had not lived with his wife for 40 years.

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They were estranged.

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They were not divorced.

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That's true.

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They weren't.

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But it was not a fucking closely guarded secret that this man was gay.

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He was one of those old school.

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Never really came out of the closet.

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But everyone knew.

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We all knew.

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We all knew the man was gay.

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He had a partner, a lifelong partner.

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He wasn't out there fucking hitting the fucking hot tub

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but it bothered me in a way that it's taken me almost a week to classify.

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He was gay as queer as a three dollar bill.

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We never talked about it.

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We never discussed it.

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He never came out of the closet.

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But everyone knew he was gay.

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Everyone knew that the guy he lived with was not his roommate.

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He was his partner.

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They went everywhere together.

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They were seen all over town.

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They were never seen holding hands or making out in public or wearing fucking rainbow

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t-shirts or anything like that.

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And what bothered me about his obituary was the fact that the man that he chose to spend

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his life with was not mentioned in the open.

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And I wonder how many people read that fucking obituary who knew him because he was a very

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popular dude, very well known throughout the state and in the industry he was in, I'm

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going to say nationally at least regionally famous.

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I wonder how many people read that obituary and said, well where's Brian's name?

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Why is Brian been left out of the fucking obit?

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And it's not like I was reading the obituary waiting for them to fucking mention Brian

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with the family saying and survived, you know, survived by his wife, his two kids.

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And Brian, his gay lover.

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And Brian, his catchers met and Brian, his fucking giz pocket.

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I didn't think that they were going to fucking out him like that in the newspaper.

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You know what I mean?

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But I did kind of expect there to be something to suggest that Brian was an important part

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of this man's life and survived by, you know, wife, two kids and best friend Brian or lifelong

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pal Brian or just goddamn Brian.

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Why didn't they put Brian in there?

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It's been weighing on me.

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It's been fucking bothering me.

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It's actually bothering me quite a bit.

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You know, I talk a lot of shit on missing through a radio.

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I do.

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I do.

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I do.

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I do.

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I do.

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I do.

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I do.

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I do.

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I do.

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I do.

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I do.

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I do.

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I do.

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I do.

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I do.

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is this. This man was deeply religious and also gay. He went to church every Sunday and took

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a very active role in his church every Sunday but was also gay. Attended church faithfully

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sang in the choir with his partner and was also both of them extraordinarily gay but when

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it came time when the man was dead and he had the opportunity to make sure that the people

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who survived him extolled the virtues of this man Brian who he gave 40 fucking plus years

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of his

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did not.

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It was never going to go to the fucking funeral but one of the factors that kept me away from this

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funeral, was I could not go and watch that fucking farce play out. This man's wife is a great lady

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and his kids I'm sure are fucking wonderful and that's great but they're gonna sit there

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and they're gonna fold the fucking flag and they're going to hand it to her and she's

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gonna be weeping all in black bitch you haven't lived with him in 50 fucking years and I

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did not want to be there to see Brian standing in the fucking back all dressed in black with

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fucking sunglasses and an umbrella. You know what I mean because we couldn't fucking publicly

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acknowledge the fact that this man was gay less there be shame cast upon the family. Everybody

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fucking knew it was the worst kept secret in the Midwest. Everyone fucking knew he was gay

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everybody and I didn't want to have to see Brian standing in the back or standing to the side

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quietly fucking grieving the loss of the man he loved more than anyone else in the world.

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I didn't want to fucking I didn't want to see that probably was never gonna go anyway but I

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definitely was not gonna go watch that the moment I read that obituary and saw that his life

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partner had been excluded from that obituary I immediately played out in my mind the bullshit

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that his funeral was gonna be and I wasn't gonna go watch that happen. These people were raised

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in a time when being gay was shameful when it was a mortal sin. Hell it may be I don't fucking know

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and that kind of brings me to what I want to talk to you about today religion and my problem with

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it all of the conflicting emotions and intersecting and contradictory thoughts that I have and

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experiences I guess that I have that pertain to religion I've been a lot of places lived in a lot

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of places seen a lot of people met a lot of people known a lot of people experienced a lot of different

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religions firsthand and in the case of this man he lived his life in the shadows and never publicly

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acknowledged who he really was not even in death and in the case of this man I put the blame for him

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feeling like he needed to conceal himself squarely on the shoulders of a society that bows to

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religion you know one of the things I hear people say all the time is that they have a fundamental

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issue with going to church because of the people the people make fucking church fucked up and they

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hate church because of the people right and if you've listened to missing throw-per-ity

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over in 2.0 for any fucking period of time you know that I can't stand people on a fundamental

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level it almost doesn't matter what people do

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he was an avid churchgoer loved his church gave his time talent and treasure to his church family

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my question is this why would an organization like a Christian church accept the time talent and

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treasure of a man who is obviously clearly and not very secretly gay why would they do that

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I want you to take a 700 foot view of Christianity with me the bible is very clear very clear

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on what God's stance is on homosexuality very clear there's not much room for misinterpretation

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I guess I could sit here and thumb through the fucking bible for you and give you all the different

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passages telling you that if you're

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fucking gay you're going to fucking burn in a lake of fire if you're fucking gay you are damn

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eternally okay I mean I guess I guess I could do that but I don't really research here on

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misanthroofradio you know what I mean I was so I've never done it before so why would I start now

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if you grew up with a Christian background like I did you know that the bible is very fucking clear

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on homosexuality so I understand why a gay man would want to go to church I get it it's for a

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sense of community and it's for the belief that God loves everyone even if he doesn't love what

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you do so I don't question why this man was involved in his church I totally get it and I don't

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necessarily even question why the church allowed him to become a member if you are an organization

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whose entire goal is to bring people in off the streets educate them in the ways of your religion

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so they can share eternal life with you you're going to accept to accept anyone who comes with an

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open heart I understand that piece too I get it I understand why he went and I understand why they

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let him stay my problem is this why would an organization whose textbook says in numerous places

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throughout its pages what God's stance is on homosexuality why would that organization accept

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the time talent and treasure of someone that they know is gay but that's what they did he gave

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tons of fucking money to this church he gave tons of money and tons of his time and tons of his talent

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to this church why would they accept that if they were real if they were honest with themselves

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and if they were honestly trying to live according to the tenants of the book that they

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extol is the exact fucking word of God why would they accept the time talent and treasure of someone

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that they know according to their teachings is going to burn in hell why would they do that

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it doesn't make any fucking sense I ended like I said I understand why they let him stay they're

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hoping that he will repent and see the light I understand why he went he wants to just fucking

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belong and he doesn't believe he's damned and honestly I don't know that it's even their place to

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tell him you could make the case that they should have met him at the door and been like we know that

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you are one of them fucking gays you can just turn around and take your faggot ass right

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back to your truck on one hand it would make perfect sense for them to do that and there's maybe

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even a little bit of fucking respect you got to have for an organization that's going to live that

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fucking gangster you know an organization that believes their shit is the truth so much that

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they're willing to fucking turn people away who

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who live a lifestyle contrary to what they believe to the

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I don't necessarily agree with that but I do think it's hypocritical and even a little predatory

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to accept the time talent and treasure from a man that you know according to your

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religion's textbook is damned to hell but they did they took every

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fucking time he gave happily they happily took that money and from what I'm told he gave a

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significant portion of his fortune to that church over the course of time it's dishonest

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and it's dishonest in a very fucking gross upsetting way chasing the almighty dollar

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is what it feels like to me from the outside looking in now I don't want you to think that this is

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an anti-Christianity rant that I'm on here because it's not all I'm saying if I'm saying anything

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is that the man

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is shame attached to their lifestyle in a society that was founded on Christian principles and that

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Christian church willingly accepted all of the time talent and treasure that the recently departed

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had to give this man was gay I'm even relatively confident that he and his partner Brian attended

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this church together that's how open they were in their relationship they just didn't fucking

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make out in public and when it came time for this organization to celebrate this motherfucker's life

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they excluded the person that he chose to spend his life with simply because society has been

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taught to think a certain way about people of that lifestyle by the very organization that accepted

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all of his time talent and treasure what the fuck and no one is really I don't think outraged

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except me the few people I've tried to talk to about this are just like yeah it's fucked up but

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you know that's just the way it is no it's not okay I'm not just gonna fucking wave it off as one

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of those things that we just need to accept this as fucking reality why the fuck is it like this

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if you're not gonna fucking accept the man wholly into your fucking church that don't fucking

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accept him at all certainly don't accept his money a Christian organization if they were being

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honest would have sat down and had a meeting with this man when he decided to join that church

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and just laid it all out there in the open and the conversation would have gone something like this

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you know we really appreciate that you chose us we want you to be here we love seeing you walk

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through those doors let's just get down to brass tacks here and lay all our fucking cards on the

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table we all know your gay everyone in the world knows your gay you're the gayest man in America okay

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we want you here we want you to be part of the congregation we want you to come here and worship

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the Lord with us however because of your lifestyle and the fact that our textbook the foundation of

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our very organization says that you are in fact eternally damned

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to hell we cannot accept your time talent and treasure so keep your money and you can't be on any

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committees and that's probably fucked up to say but we would be betraying our tenants and what we

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hold is true if we allowed you to throw a bunch of money at us and give us your time other than that

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though welcome coffee and donuts after church and we do not have time to do that and we do not have

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coffee and donuts after church and we do have Sunday school and it's pretty instructive we think that

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you you will enjoy the lessons good talk and if he was then willing to participate in that church

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under those terms then fucking great but at least everything was being done honestly in above board

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you know I don't know I don't know that I'm making any fucking sense at all all I know for sure is

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that it fucking rub me the wrong way the whole fucking thing rub me the wrong way and I'm not even

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saying that Christianity is a bad fucking option I think it's great especially when you compare it to

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other world religions fucking Hindus are nuts okay have you ever interacted with honest to god Hindus

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like devout Hindus those motherfuckers I had a conversation with a guy named Sherwin he was an Indian from

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India and I made some kind of fucking off handed comment about the Ganges River being the most polluted

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body of water in the world and he stood there and looked me directly in my face and said no it's not

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it is the pure tears of Ganesha or some shit like that I don't remember the fucking god associated with

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water in the world I said are you joking and he said no I said bro I've seen footage of the

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fucking Ganges River it's a constant flow of fucking trash and incidentally the occasional dead body

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floating down river but Hindus are so fucking delusional they will stand in the Ganges River

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amidst fucking dead bodies floating by and fucking piles of trash and dead manities and it's in

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shit and look you right in your face and tell you know this is the most pure and sacred water in the

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world completely fucking delusional okay so if you're not gonna be a Hindu and Christianity is not

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for you what is there Islam okay Muslims are obviously insane okay oh that hang on but are they

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Islam is 1394 years old Christianity is 2000 years old only in the last 200 or so years has Christianity

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stopped being fucking crazy so if we're going to use Christianity as a template for the

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maturation of a world religion we have about 400 more years of Muslims be heading in the delus and

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stoning chicks who've seen more than one penis before they fucking chill out a little bit because

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the first 1600 years or so of Christianity was off the fucking chain lest we not forget where the

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fuck we came from all right I think I'm just gonna fucking go ahead and stick up fork in this

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episode of Misenthroperadio this really kind of isn't what I wanted to do but I sat down to record

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Misenthroperadio first of all I talked about how I was

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sick yet again that didn't make the cut and then I went into talking about government I definitely

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don't want to fucking talk about politics I'm taking a fucking step back away from that by the way

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I got caught up in the fucking news cycle accidentally again for about two weeks and I really

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started to fucking care about what's going on with the government shutdown and shit like that and I

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had a fucking moment of clarity and I was like okay wait hold on that's not in your fucking

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wheelhouse you're not interested in that don't fucking talk about this on Misenthroperadio

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but when that friend of mine died and I saw that obituary I kind of flew off the rails a little bit

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and I just I couldn't sit I couldn't make myself sit down and tell dick jokes and be stupid it

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doesn't have to be dick jokes all the time thanks for listening until next time
